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Sabrina ([personal profile] mala_14) wrote2015-02-02 06:48 pm
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1860s cotton dress

A question for those in the know: what separates later 1860s cotton print dresses from earlier ones? With the 150th birthday of Canada coming up, my living history group is delving into the 1860s. The exact year is 1867.

I've seen a lot of pictures of ones that look, to my eye anyways, decidedly early 1860s/Civil War era, but nothing that is definitively the latter part of the decade. Most seem to feature gathered (as opposed to darted) bodices and gathered or gauged skirts. I assume that earlier dresses have bigger sleeves (bishop sleeves or coat sleeves that are wider around the elbow) and have skirts that are fuller in the front with gathers, while later dresses would have the narrower sleeves and flatter fronts (pleats or flat) that were in fashion. But all this is somewhat conjectured. Any one have facts?

(Mourning Dress ca.1867 from the Met)

[identity profile] jenthompson.livejournal.com 2015-02-03 01:21 am (UTC)(link)
Sounds right to me. It's hard to tell with the cotton print dresses. They don't show up very often in fashion plates, and it's hard to date the surviving ones to a specific year. But I think the skirt shape is the most important part. You can search the de Gracieuse archives for 1867 - sometimes they have more casual dresses there.

[identity profile] nuranar.livejournal.com 2015-02-03 02:30 am (UTC)(link)
It might be confusing because the Met dress is behind the times for 1867. The new shapes started appearing in the magazines midway through 1864, and that dress, which is lovely, doesn't really show any of them. Your analysis is pretty good.

You're good to stick with a gathered bodice, I think; it's safe, at least. What really sets aside later 1860s from earlier (and I can tell one that's the New Look almost immediately):

* Gored skirt (either slight to extreme, depending on the year), elliptical shape, set in wide box pleats (3" inches or more), with an extra-wide pleat centered in the front.
* Coat sleeves! Bishop sleeves were less typical, and open sleeves disappearing. Both were easy to cut down into coat sleeves to update an older gown; skirts could also be re-set.
* Short little standing collar. Atypical before c. 1864; typical by 1866.

There are also typical trim lines (like a big square; none of that upward curve, and vertical bits closer in to the neck). Any back emphasis, particularly those sashes (which wouldn't work for a cotton print). Actually, be a bit more careful with trimming a cotton; it still tended to be a workaday material, and usually untrimmed or self-trimmed.

Note that sheers have their own rules in the 1850s-60s. They're the wild card. :)
Edited 2015-02-03 02:33 (UTC)

[identity profile] ashamanja-babu.livejournal.com 2015-02-03 02:42 am (UTC)(link)
Fun! There are a lot of discussions about the darted vs pleated or gathered bodice and what was for cotton, what was for silk or wool, etc. and frankly I am no help to you there. No idea. But I agree with Jen about the skirt shape; for 1867-8 there is a transitional period with really flat-butt hoops, almost a straight cone shape, and skirts gored with smooth waists, as opposed to the rounded bell shape of 10 years earlier. As for sleeves I think the difference is that once you start creeping up toward the early bustle era you get the "coat" sleeve; wide all the way down, full ends or cuffs, but earlier the fulness was in the upper arm mostly and tapered to the wrist. Just look at as many fashion plates for your target year as you can find.

[identity profile] isabelladangelo.livejournal.com 2015-02-03 02:42 am (UTC)(link)
The waistline starts to creep up in 1867. The skirts are flat across the front but you begin to the start of the bustle at this point with more width to the back of the dress. The pagoda sleeve finally died but that sleeves aren't necessarily less full - the Russian style had very drape-y sleeves.This one has a crazy design.

[identity profile] atherleisure.livejournal.com 2015-02-03 12:45 pm (UTC)(link)
You can also check out Reconstruction Era Fashions, which covers late 1867 and 1868. While there probably aren't many suitable patterns in there, I seem to recall seeing some discussion of wash dresses in the text. It's all pulled from original issues of Harper's Bazar, which can be found without the pattern supplements here.

You'll probably be safe going with a gathered round waist, raised a bit above the natural waist and a gored, pleated skirt worn over an elliptical hoop and coat sleeves. Practically everything I've seen from this period has coat sleeves, the variation seems to be in the degree of fullness at the elbow.